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- Subject: Re: ANNOUNCE: Vacant Job Positions
- Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 02:50:40 -0800
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- i offer this:
-
- 1. if your motivated, and a little intelligent, you will find a way to do
- what you want to do.
-
- 2. if your motivated, and you also go to college, youll be able to do what
- you want to do, and you will be able to impress both camps, those that need
- to see the degree, and those that do not, that you can and want to do it.
-
- 3. there are examples of duds, degreed and non-degreed.
-
- 4. there are examples of stars, degreed and non-degreed.
-
- 5. an incompetent interviewer will hire an incompetent candidate readily,
- regardless
- of the crutch signpost they want to see, like a degree (by the way, the
- best example of
- this is the fact that HR, the most incompetent group in a company to
- assess candidates,
- routinely put degree as a minimum on job desc., the irony is, that same
- group is paid
- to be just the opposite)
-
- 6. a competent interviewer can assess a candidate without regard to a
- degree, often
- finding a gem among the rejected.
-
- 6.5 a competent interviewer can also hire a dud, with an impressive
- background, degreed,
- and experienced, but hiding the fact that they are hardcore anti-social,
- or have problems
- with drugs.
-
- 7. a degree is an accomplishment one should achieve for the sake of it,
- those that do
- it for show, or because they went for the myth that a degree will get them
- a dream job,
- likely end up in sales anyway.
-
- 8. wozniak reputedly went on sabbatical at apple to get a degree, under an
- assumed name,
- at berkely in EE. this, after he had already achieved far beyond degreed
- engineers years his
- senior. he obviously did it for personal reasons, while in school he was
- already in a position
- to never need a paid job for the rest of his life. nor would he be
- putting it on a resume.
-
- 9. likewise, some use not only the degree as an entry ticket, but will
- discriminate on the
- school as well, i once worked for a VP stanford alumni who couldnt abide
- promoting anyone
- who was not also a stanford alumni. people do make choices, most often on
- politically poor basis.
-
- 10. i hire people all the time, i am impressed by the degree, but most
- often i am shocked by
- the number of over degreed people applying for realitively meanial jobs.
- i have a guy working
- for me with a physics degree from MIT, and a columbia MBA combined who
- does Unix admin. he says it
- interests him, he has an IQ probably in the 170+ range, does not work in
- either field he has
- degrees in, and is an example more often the norm than the exception.
-
- 11. be careful that if you criticise the degreed, and you dont have a
- degree yourself, that it
- isnt based in sour grapes. likewise, be careful that if your degreed, and
- hiring people, that you
- dont pass over a non-degreed talent that could potentially blow your shop
- wide open with energy
- and ideas.
-